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by ASD
Fri Nov 25, 2016 3:40 pm
Forum: The Bicameral Mind in Fiction, Film, and Popular Culture
Topic: Was Ava J-Conscious in the Movie, "Ex Machina?" (Spoiler)
Replies: 1
Views: 5753

Was Ava J-Conscious in the Movie, "Ex Machina?" (Spoiler)

This isn't about the bicameral mind, but about Jaynes's definition of consciousness. In Ex Machina , Nathan (Ava's inventor) used Caleb to find out if he'd succeeded in making a conscious AI. He told Caleb to conduct a Turing test on Ava, but in reality Caleb was just an unwitting prop whose only pu...
by ASD
Tue Nov 08, 2016 4:05 pm
Forum: The Bicameral Mind in Fiction, Film, and Popular Culture
Topic: Jaynes' Bicameral Mind Theory Featured in HBO's "Westworld"
Replies: 2
Views: 6566

Re: Jaynes' Bicameral Mind Theory Featured in HBO's "Westwor

Westworld's secret philosophy: What is the Bicameral Mind? I think the narrator gets it pretty much right except at the end, when he says that the last stage of the breakdown of the bicameral mind is when the person stops thinking of the voice in his head as God. But actually, I think Jaynes said t...
by ASD
Thu Feb 18, 2016 9:03 am
Forum: Dreams & Consciousness
Topic: Dreams and J-Consciousness
Replies: 4
Views: 14149

Dreams and J-Consciousness

I saw this article ( http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3451976/What-dogs-dream-Researchers-say-canines-similar-sleep-patterns-owners-s-easy-spot-twitch-run-whimper.html ) about dogs and dreaming, and it made me wonder about what kind of dreams bicameral man might have experienced. Accor...
by ASD
Sun Jan 17, 2016 2:25 pm
Forum: Mind from 9000 B.C. to 1000 A.D.: Analysis of Classic Literature, Linguistics, and Ancient Civilizations
Topic: Best Translation of Homer's Iliad
Replies: 1
Views: 10350

Best Translation of Homer's Iliad

Jaynes points to Homer's Iliad as an example of a story about and by pre-conscious people. There are a number of different translations. I suspect some are more faithful to the original than others. I was hoping for a recommendation on the one that best illustrates what Jaynes was pointing to. Any s...
by ASD
Wed Mar 18, 2015 10:26 pm
Forum: The Bicameral Mind in Fiction, Film, and Popular Culture
Topic: Under the Skin
Replies: 1
Views: 9463

Under the Skin

I recently watched Under the Skin , which came out in 2013. It's described as an "arthouse science fiction" flick. I've read multiple interpretations of it. About a year before I saw it I'd read The Origin Of Consciousness In the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind . It made quite an impression on me, m...
by ASD
Fri May 23, 2014 10:12 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Welcome / Introductions
Replies: 29
Views: 54173

Re: Welcome / Introductions

Well, there's life here yet! Thanks for the replies. I agree that the technical challenge would be the most difficult. But if bicameral minds are possible, I think it could eventually be made to work. Granted, it might take multiple iterations to get there. I think you'd have to create a kind of ref...
by ASD
Wed May 07, 2014 7:55 am
Forum: News Items Related to Jaynes's Theory
Topic: Christof Koch Dissing Jaynes in Scientific American Mind
Replies: 7
Views: 13739

Re: Christof Koch Dissing Jaynes in Scientific American Mind

Koch says: An even more far-fetched idea holds that consciousness emerged only a few thousand years ago, when humans realized that the voices in their head came not from the gods but from their own internal spoken narratives. This seems like a misrepresentation of the Theory. If I understand correct...
by ASD
Wed May 07, 2014 7:30 am
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Welcome / Introductions
Replies: 29
Views: 54173

Re: Welcome / Introductions

Hello All (I say "all" with a tinge of irony--pretty quiet around here), I just finished Origin after coming across a reference to it for the first time recently. Now I'm starting in on Reflections . Jaynes's theory is fascinating! I can't say I'm 100% convinced, but a lot of things do make sense wh...