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by martinem
Sun Mar 16, 2014 1:29 pm
Forum: The Bicameral Mind: Breakdown, Neurological Model, Evolution, etc.
Topic: How Did Everyone Hear The Same God?
Replies: 9
Views: 16180

Re: How did everyone hear the same god?

My picture of the situation in a bicameral society is that there is a strict hierarchy and chain of command; the king gets orders from some great god and advice from his personal gods when in distress about how to follow them. He then gives orders to his subordinates who more or less "records" his m...
by martinem
Wed Mar 12, 2014 9:20 am
Forum: The Bicameral Mind: Breakdown, Neurological Model, Evolution, etc.
Topic: How Did Everyone Hear The Same God?
Replies: 9
Views: 16180

Re: How did everyone hear the same god?

I'm thinking that a bicameral person in a bicameral society would hear several imperative voices; from their personal god, from their king-god and sometimes directly from one of the great gods. The conflicts that could occur constitutes the old mythologies, whose function are manuals for how to deal...
by martinem
Tue Nov 05, 2013 12:32 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Quantitative Philology
Replies: 3
Views: 10370

Quantitative Philology

Diuk, Slezak, Raskovsky, Sigman and Cecchi published a very interesting article in "Integrative Neuroscience" in september 2012 named "A quantitative philology of introspection", in which Jaynes is properly credited, and the line of thought i believe goes alongside his. Has anobody here read it and ...
by martinem
Tue Apr 30, 2013 11:06 pm
Forum: Hypnosis, Possession, and Altered States of Consciousness
Topic: Teenage Pop Star Idolatry
Replies: 0
Views: 19510

Teenage Pop Star Idolatry

Does anyone here know if anything has been written about the frequently seen phenomenon of teenage girls falling in collective trance-like state in sight of their chosen pop-star? Has it been described as a vestige of earlier mentalities, by Jaynes or another?
/Martin Essen-Möller, Stockholm
by martinem
Mon Aug 06, 2012 1:39 pm
Forum: Religion and the Bicameral Mind
Topic: Humanities Regression
Replies: 1
Views: 8687

Re: Humanities Regression

The geniuses you line up are the elite from a century, rather from a specific decade. They were laying out the ground for a whole new science, that had not been described before. Turing's work is not forgotten, look at these recent Minecraft and Conway's game of Life Turing machines: http://www.yout...
by martinem
Fri Apr 06, 2012 2:06 pm
Forum: The Nature of Consciousness: Its Features and Modes
Topic: Tiredness in Pre-Conscious Beings
Replies: 4
Views: 11664

Re: Tiredness in pre-conscious beings

Thanks Star, it is interesting wether the brain uses more energy while performing conscious decisionmaking, but I wouldn't expect this effect to be huge. After all the amount of brain tissue is the same. Neuronal signalling leaks intracellular potassium which would burdon the ion pump, wasting ATP a...
by martinem
Tue Mar 20, 2012 2:39 pm
Forum: The Nature of Consciousness: Its Features and Modes
Topic: Tiredness in Pre-Conscious Beings
Replies: 4
Views: 11664

Tiredness in Pre-Conscious Beings

What is it that Jaynes said about tiredness? That the pyramids could be built because the builders were fatigue-free like catatonic schizophrenics? Is there a division to be made between the direct affect of tiredness and the more complex self-reflective feeling of injustice or meaninglessness? I se...
by martinem
Fri Dec 16, 2011 7:35 am
Forum: Mind from 9000 B.C. to 1000 A.D.: Analysis of Classic Literature, Linguistics, and Ancient Civilizations
Topic: First Greek Tragedy
Replies: 1
Views: 7885

First Greek Tragedy

I remember reading somewhere in The Origin of the first Greek tragedy. Can somebody here help me with information about this? It was named and dated but said to cause social disorientation an to be forbidden and burnt.
by martinem
Mon Feb 14, 2011 2:04 pm
Forum: The Bicameral Mind in Fiction, Film, and Popular Culture
Topic: Old Non-Fiction: Hellen Keller and Viktor Frankl
Replies: 1
Views: 8554

Old Non-Fiction: Hellen Keller and Viktor Frankl

Helen Keller: "The Story of My Life" and Viktor Frankl: "Man's Search for Meaning." These old books describes the creation and destruction of introspective thought, respectively.
by martinem
Sun Jun 13, 2010 3:10 pm
Forum: The Nature of Consciousness: Its Features and Modes
Topic: Parallel (Dual) Consciousness Episode
Replies: 3
Views: 13588

Re: Parallel (Dual) Consciousness Episode

Its a beautiful description of a phenomenon that is not so rare. Actually I guess it happens quite often but the story is not told, because the persons experiencing the breakdown of their integrity usually are full of anxiety and/or maybe never flip back into the normal reality. The miracle here is ...
by martinem
Mon Jan 18, 2010 1:05 pm
Forum: The Bicameral Mind: Breakdown, Neurological Model, Evolution, etc.
Topic: Bicameral Mind and more recent "Theory of Mind"
Replies: 1
Views: 10578

Re: Bicameral Mind and more recent "Theory of Mind"

Yes, I also think that the Theory of Mind is an important step toward an understanding of consiousness. A development of consciousness could consist of stages like: 1: Understanding of another persons intentionality. 2: Constructing a picture of the other persons inner world (somewhere to place the ...
by martinem
Mon Jan 18, 2010 12:18 pm
Forum: The Bicameral Mind: Breakdown, Neurological Model, Evolution, etc.
Topic: Wise Gods?
Replies: 8
Views: 17993

Re: Wise gods?

Aesthetician: As you understand I share your interest in the hidden potential of our minds, and am longing to discuss how one can explore them. Allthough I would like to converse on these matters without having to use notions such as "measurable" (This goes back to the old distinction between qualit...
by martinem
Fri Jan 15, 2010 12:36 am
Forum: The Bicameral Mind: Breakdown, Neurological Model, Evolution, etc.
Topic: Wise Gods?
Replies: 8
Views: 17993

Re: Wise gods?

But how could the oracles help with difficult decisions when they didn't have all the facts?

Aesthetician: I think you confuse radiotechnology with neurophysiology, among other things.
by martinem
Mon Jan 11, 2010 1:50 pm
Forum: The Nature of Consciousness: Its Features and Modes
Topic: Human Consciousness: Definition
Replies: 3
Views: 13044

Re: Human Consciousness: Definition

When trying to define consciousness you easily end up using predicates as know, experience or observe, all of which distinguishes between a subject and an object. This division is related to the dualisms of Plato, Descartes, and almost all the philosophers that are mentioned on page 1 in "the origin...