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by Rollo
Sun Oct 23, 2011 11:45 pm
Forum: The Nature of Consciousness: Its Features and Modes
Topic: Proof for Consciousness Based on Language through Infant....
Replies: 2
Views: 9783

Re: Proof for Consciousness Based on Language through Infant

If modern consciousness is simply an appropriation of the bicameral hallucinations, then such child-exchanges should prove successful: that is, the children would take on the consciousness of their culture. If it is true, as Jaynes suspects, that selection pressures (and especially the deliberate se...
by Rollo
Sun Oct 23, 2011 11:35 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: NHI? [Non-Human Intelligence]
Replies: 5
Views: 12770

Re: NHI?

You forgot to close that first bracket. I'm sorry, I have no idea what you are saying. That the behavioural anomalies of youth are predicated on extra-universal creativity? And that that same divinity triggered our hominid evolution some 2 million years ago? I think it is unfair to arbitrarily assig...
by Rollo
Sat Oct 15, 2011 7:48 am
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: NHI? [Non-Human Intelligence]
Replies: 5
Views: 12770

Re: NHI?

"through some agency we cannot clearly delineate, some mechanism that does not yet compute for us, that knowledge is probably being communicated to us all from some intelligence that is not just outside our tiny primitive heads, or merely outside our physically limiting biosphere, but very possibly ...
by Rollo
Mon Aug 15, 2011 6:41 am
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Jaynes - Newly Emerging Insights
Replies: 16
Views: 32993

Re: Jaynes - Newly Emerging Insights

All this beating around the bush and never quite stating your meaning outright, what's it for? Are you trying to return us to the concept of God, with this notion of the eternal Subject? Why? Why does that concept have any more relevance here than it ever had? I have found that there actually exists...
by Rollo
Sun Feb 13, 2011 10:34 am
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Jaynes - Newly Emerging Insights
Replies: 16
Views: 32993

Re: JAYNES -- 2011

Indeed, fanaticism works both ways, but I don't believe in bad science -- even if Sam is biased, his results should show the truth if there is truth to find. Thinking about a science of aesthetics over the past few weeks has been interesting -- I never considered it before, but certainly there are s...
by Rollo
Sat Feb 05, 2011 11:24 am
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Jaynes - Newly Emerging Insights
Replies: 16
Views: 32993

Re: JAYNES -- 2011

What do you think of this idea -- does it represent something like what you are looking for, with a science of the aesthetic?

http://www.ted.com/talks/sam_harris_sci ... right.html
by Rollo
Wed Feb 02, 2011 2:46 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Jaynes - Newly Emerging Insights
Replies: 16
Views: 32993

Re: JAYNES -- 2011

Let me see if I have understood enough to summarize. Science in our means, our bottom-up approach; building a model of reality (whether in futility or no) in mathematics. Aesthetics is our end, looking at it from the top-down. But what would you say is our method for research here? Wouldn't you call...
by Rollo
Sat Nov 27, 2010 11:59 am
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Temporary Bicamerality
Replies: 19
Views: 34162

Re: Temporary Bicamerality

Haha! Excellent, yes! It is interesting at this stage to note the increasing difficulty we are having in discovering these (somewhat arbitrarily defined, but still discrete) levels in scientific inquiry; if we say there are four: psychology (this is the first step I think away from simple biology, w...
by Rollo
Mon Nov 15, 2010 9:33 am
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Temporary Bicamerality
Replies: 19
Views: 34162

Re: Temporary Bicamerality

I do have faith though -- I'll answer your rhetorical question -- in systems. Wikipedia, as I have said, is a system that works, and I think the guiding principals embodied by it could be put to use in replacing the systems we have. Do you know Wikipedia well? The machinations behind the scenes I me...
by Rollo
Sat Nov 13, 2010 7:16 am
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Temporary Bicamerality
Replies: 19
Views: 34162

Re: Temporary Bicamerality

Indeed, 'contradictions in and between existing intuitions need peaceful and equitable resolution', however I think this is only part of the problem I pose. That, however we reconcile these systems, there will still be inherit systemic effects -- that is to say that while the people make the system,...
by Rollo
Fri Nov 12, 2010 8:51 am
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Temporary Bicamerality
Replies: 19
Views: 34162

Re: Temporary Bicamerality

And you sir! I like your rhetoric. In regard to this 'cosmic creativity', or the tendency towards more and more complex organisations of information -- hadrons and whatnot at one end of the spectrum, human cognition at the other -- what do you think of the still-pseudoscientific field of memes, and ...
by Rollo
Sun Oct 24, 2010 1:58 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Temporary Bicamerality
Replies: 19
Views: 34162

Re: Temporary Bicamerality

A beautiful question: "we may ask which is the more fundamental reality". Bus I think JJ has covered this -- by analogy at least. Just as any particular description we may give will be metaphoric, so our attempts to describe the nature of experience will be done by metaphor. The Origin of Consciousn...
by Rollo
Sun Oct 24, 2010 1:27 pm
Forum: The Nature of Consciousness: Its Features and Modes
Topic: Double-Mind
Replies: 1
Views: 8882

Double-Mind

On the subject of dual mindedness and the emotions; it is interesting to note that contempt is the only universal emotion that is one-sided. It always occurs on the same side in a person. Correlation between handedness and contempt-smile-sidedness would be a fascinating phenomenon. Does anyone here ...