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by DanBlocker
Thu Aug 01, 2019 4:56 am
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: The metaphor "me"
Replies: 3
Views: 889

Re: The metaphor "me"

I just read this interesting https://aeon.co/essays/metaphors-grow-the-mind-and-feed-the-soul-dont-lose-them article on metaphors. The author quotes Emerson with "Language is fossil poetry" but even better he mentions Jaynes: In The Origins of Consciousness and the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind (1...
by DanBlocker
Wed Jul 31, 2019 12:55 am
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: The metaphor "me"
Replies: 3
Views: 889

Re: The metaphor "me"

Me is a metaphor in the same sense that nearly all words in a language are metaphors. It just means that an existing word is used to express a new meaning. Instead of inventing a completely new word, people highjack an old word. Jaynes gives the word "be" as an example, the original meaning, if I re...
by DanBlocker
Mon Nov 13, 2017 6:48 am
Forum: News Items Related to Jaynes's Theory
Topic: Recycled article
Replies: 0
Views: 7257

Recycled article

On https://www.aldaily.com listed under "Articles of Note" there is a link to this article: http://nautil.us/issue/54/the-unspoken/consciousness-began-when-the-gods-stopped-speaking-rp The teaser says, "Now science has caught up with him..." Very exciting. It is is an old article, quite a good one, ...
by DanBlocker
Tue Oct 25, 2016 8:09 am
Forum: News Items Related to Jaynes's Theory
Topic: Latest News on Westworld and the Bicameral Mind
Replies: 3
Views: 7334

Re: Latest News on Westworld and the Bicameral Mind

That is exciting. I had planned to ignore this series as I found the original quite silly. But now it seems I have to change my mind. Nicely done interview, Marcel. I think it is important to freely admit, that Jaynes is ignored by mainstream science without implying some kind of conspiracy. It is j...
by DanBlocker
Mon Dec 07, 2015 3:13 am
Forum: The Nature of Consciousness: Its Features and Modes
Topic: A point of clarification - what does Jaynes mean?
Replies: 13
Views: 23317

Re: A point of clarification - what does Jaynes mean?

But that raises questions about say the original peoples of my country. Aboriginal Australians have been in Australia at least 20,000 years with little contact with other peoples. When I asked Jaynes about the Aboriginals of Australia he did not have a clear answer. But he did think it possible and...
by DanBlocker
Tue Sep 01, 2015 2:45 am
Forum: News Items Related to Jaynes's Theory
Topic: Straightdope on Julian Jaynes
Replies: 1
Views: 9732

Re: Straightdope on Julian Jaynes

Interesting thread. A pity that I did not check earlier. I would have loved to contribute. The lesson to be learned from the thread, of course, is that many intelligent people, with only a vague idea of what Jaynes is all about, feel confident in claiming that the theory is "not even nonsense". What...
by DanBlocker
Thu Mar 05, 2015 3:43 am
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Welcome / Introductions
Replies: 29
Views: 57592

Re: Welcome / Introductions

Welcome! Did Diamond mention Jaynes? I don’t remember. GG&S is a good book, except for the racism. The inhabitants of New Guinea could do everything we do (building cities, flying to the moon) if they only wanted, but we could never do what they do (not getting lost in the jungle). Also, everything ...
by DanBlocker
Mon Jul 28, 2014 12:25 am
Forum: News Items Related to Jaynes's Theory
Topic: Blog Claims JJ is "All Mixed Up"
Replies: 4
Views: 9567

Re: Blog Claims JJ is "All Mixed Up"

Thank you, for bringing this to my (our) attention. It is a pity that there seem to be no real arguments in this blog, though. Your reply is very considerate.

As to JJS being called a "cult" — there are worse things.
by DanBlocker
Fri Jun 13, 2014 8:24 am
Forum: The Mentality of Pre-Literate and Pre-Modern Peoples
Topic: Vestiges of Bicameralism in the Pirahã
Replies: 3
Views: 14759

Re: Vestiges of Bicameralism in the Pirahã

Thank you very much for bringing this to our attention. I read the book and some articles by Everett in the mean time and I am quite impressed. I am not so sure that the book answers questions on the nature (or origin) of consciousness. Surely, the importance of spirits, the lack of spatialization o...
by DanBlocker
Tue May 27, 2014 1:27 am
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Welcome / Introductions
Replies: 29
Views: 57592

Re: Welcome / Introductions

Actually, I also thought of using Robots for raising children. But I think the problem would remain. We would need to program the Robots in a way to use "Bicamerality vocabular" that we just do not have. I do not think unbiased language is possible. And if it were it might be that some kind of "inne...
by DanBlocker
Fri May 16, 2014 12:59 am
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Welcome / Introductions
Replies: 29
Views: 57592

Re: Welcome / Introductions

Hello ASD, ethical question apart, there is also the technical problem, that we do not know how to raise a bicameral child. In communicating with a child it would be very difficult, to say the least, not to use expressions that reflect our own consciousness and these expressions would be picked up b...
by DanBlocker
Fri Oct 04, 2013 12:26 am
Forum: The Bicameral Mind in Fiction, Film, and Popular Culture
Topic: Jaynes in Bowie’s Top 100
Replies: 2
Views: 9778

Jaynes in Bowie’s Top 100

In the list of David Bowie’s favorite books we find Jaynes. Good guy. Maybe I should give his new record another chance.

http://www.openbooktoronto.com/news/spe ... read_bowie
by DanBlocker
Thu Jul 04, 2013 1:18 am
Forum: The Nature of Consciousness: Its Features and Modes
Topic: Animal Consciousness
Replies: 2
Views: 9443

Animal Consciousness

There is a nice article in aeon.
http://www.aeonmagazine.com/nature-and- ... ciousness/

Maybe someone can vote my comment up. 8)

Dan
by DanBlocker
Thu Oct 18, 2012 12:51 am
Forum: Book Discussion: Origin of Consciousness; Gods, Voices, and the Bicameral Mind; The Julian Jaynes Collection; Reflections on the Dawn of Consciousness
Topic: Original or Reflections
Replies: 2
Views: 10831

Re: Original or Reflections

Go for the original. It is not only a presentation of a highly original theory but also great reading. The other books are good and interesting but not as much fun.
by DanBlocker
Thu Aug 16, 2012 2:02 am
Forum: Conferences, Events, and Local Discussion Groups
Topic: "Surely the Chief Must Be Conscious" -Wittgenstein Symposium
Replies: 3
Views: 10545

Re: "Surely the Chief Must Be Conscious" -Wittgenstein Sympo

The paper I read was very well received. It was a lot of fun. I was a bit surprised though that really no one in the audience (more than 30 people) seemed to have any idea who Jaynes was. So I added some biographical bits (telling them that Jaynes had his 15 minutes of fame). It seemed to me that I ...