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by benjamindavidsteele
Wed Nov 25, 2020 3:11 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Welcome / Introductions
Replies: 32
Views: 69328

Re: Welcome / Introductions

@Tanker62 - Not many people comment here at the forums. I usually forget about it, but it occasionally comes up in web search results. That is how I came to notice your recent comments. I hope that people start using the forums. I used to regularly visit the Facebook group but have since decided to ...
by benjamindavidsteele
Wed Nov 25, 2020 3:05 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Consciousness in children
Replies: 1
Views: 140

Re: Consciousness in children

This makes me think of Lev Vygotsky. He was an early Soviet psychologist. But his writings weren't available in the West until the 1980s. He believed language began as social speech as part of what he called the zone of proximal development where the speech of others helped the child's developing mi...
by benjamindavidsteele
Wed Nov 25, 2020 2:57 pm
Forum: News Items Related to Jaynes's Theory
Topic: "Gods came AFTER the rise of civilizations"?
Replies: 6
Views: 8412

Re: "Gods came AFTER the rise of civilizations"?

@Tanker62 - "it's difficult to imagine the Abrahamic God behaving like Zeus who regularly fathered children with mortal women..." Let me make a simple point. Brian J. McVeigh's most recent book, The Psychology of the Bible, covers somethng related to this. He wasn't talking about Zeus, but...
by benjamindavidsteele
Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:30 am
Forum: The Bicameral Mind: Breakdown, Neurological Model, Evolution, etc.
Topic: Bicameral Mind and more recent "Theory of Mind"
Replies: 2
Views: 12323

Re: Bicameral Mind and more recent "Theory of Mind"

There is one speculation based on observations of children. Some suspect that a child first develops a theory of mind for other people before doing so for themselves. That is to say that theory of mind is inherently social and so Jaynesian consciousness might in a sense be an internalization of this...
by benjamindavidsteele
Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:41 pm
Forum: News Items Related to Jaynes's Theory
Topic: Bronze Age Britons kept human remains on display in their homes.
Replies: 2
Views: 1011

Re: Bronze Age Britons kept human remains on display in their homes.

The ending of the article fits Jaynes' theory:
The human remains were kept for between "a few decades" and "a couple of centuries," he added, suggesting that they could have been buried once the deceased had "passed out of living or cultural memory."
by benjamindavidsteele
Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:37 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Welcome / Introductions
Replies: 32
Views: 69328

Re: Welcome / Introductions

Welcome to the forum, Kevin. Few people visit here. Almost all the activity is at the Facebook groups. But I don't like social media. I wish people would use this discussion board, instead.
by benjamindavidsteele
Sun Jan 26, 2020 4:42 am
Forum: Conferences, Events, and Local Discussion Groups
Topic: Florida Space Coast Discussion of Jaynes throughout 2018
Replies: 3
Views: 14418

Re: Florida Space Coast Discussion of Jaynes throughout 2018

Before you pass judgment on Julian Jaynes' theory, I'd recommend more fully exploring the info about it, as there is so much info available. The book itself is, of course, solid scholarship. But it's many decades old at this point having originally been published about a half century ago. Check out ...
by benjamindavidsteele
Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:16 am
Forum: The Nature of Consciousness: Its Features and Modes
Topic: Jaynes and McLuhan and Writing Systems
Replies: 3
Views: 12654

Re: Jaynes and McLuhan and Writing Systems

That is interesting. Offhand, I'm not sure I've heard any discussion about Jaynesian consciousness and aslphabetic language. I'd be curious to hear anyone's thoughts on this.
by benjamindavidsteele
Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:12 am
Forum: The Nature of Consciousness: Its Features and Modes
Topic: Visual Thinking
Replies: 3
Views: 4243

Re: Visual Thinking

You might want to look into eidetic memory. It would be related to the mnemonic systems that were dominant prior to written text. Lynne Kelly has some books on this. She notes that the Australian Aborigines can follow the songlines from memory.
by benjamindavidsteele
Sat Aug 18, 2018 3:43 am
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Welcome / Introductions
Replies: 32
Views: 69328

Re: Welcome / Introductions

It isn't very active around here. But let me introduce myself anyway. I'm no one special. I have no expertise in any field of study. I don't even have a college degree. But having been raised by parents who were teachers, I picked up a love of learning and a love of reading. I read widely. But in ce...
by benjamindavidsteele
Sun Aug 12, 2018 5:20 am
Forum: News Items Related to Jaynes's Theory
Topic: Christof Koch Dissing Jaynes in Scientific American Mind
Replies: 7
Views: 17732

Re: Christof Koch Dissing Jaynes in Scientific American Mind

Here is one thing to keep in mind. Our way of defining 'god' and 'religion' didn't exist in bicameral societies. The notion of religion as a specific category of something separate from the rest of society didn't develop until well into the Axial Age. Bicameral people probably would have had a more ...
by benjamindavidsteele
Sun Aug 12, 2018 5:11 am
Forum: News Items Related to Jaynes's Theory
Topic: Blog Claims JJ is "All Mixed Up"
Replies: 4
Views: 12134

Re: Blog Claims JJ is "All Mixed Up"

I extensively commented on that blog post. The blogger never gave much of a response to anything. Since then, he has taken down every single post he ever wrote about Jaynes. I don't know if that is his way of admitting that he had been wrong and careless or simply an act that he no longer wanted to ...
by benjamindavidsteele
Sun Aug 12, 2018 4:15 am
Forum: News Items Related to Jaynes's Theory
Topic: Latest News on Westworld and the Bicameral Mind
Replies: 3
Views: 9618

Re: Latest News on Westworld and the Bicameral Mind

If anyone is interested, I wrote a piece on Westworld and the bicameral mind:

https://benjamindavidsteele.wordpress.c ... d-freedom/