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by Moderator
Wed Apr 25, 2007 5:14 pm
Forum: Schizophrenia
Topic: A Jaynes-Inspired Treatment for Schizophrenia?
Replies: 13
Views: 30165

Just to follow up on this, I recently read that (as I suspected), the commissurotomy or "split-brain" surgeries are no longer being performed, as they are now able to better control epileptic seizures with medication. I also read that until age 4 or so, both hemispheres seem to be able to process la...
by Moderator
Mon Apr 09, 2007 10:17 am
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Aptic Structures: Definition?
Replies: 2
Views: 13894

Aptic Structures: Definition?

My understanding is Jaynes uses this term to describe structures in the brain (he says "organizations in the brain" which I take to mean groupings of neurons) that are responsible for certain genetically based instinctual behaviors (for example, mating behavior or a mother caring for her young). How...
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Thu Mar 29, 2007 3:02 pm
Forum: Book Discussion: Origin of Consciousness; Gods, Voices, and the Bicameral Mind; The Julian Jaynes Collection; Reflections on the Dawn of Consciousness
Topic: Reflections: Foreword by Dr. Michael A. Persinger
Replies: 2
Views: 14733

Yes, Dr. Persinger's work on a feeling of presence in the right hemisphere is highly relevant and his Foreword is a valuable contribution to the book. When you say I think Neuropsychological Basis for God Beliefs would have been a great addition to Reflections I'm not sure what you mean by that — ...
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Tue Mar 20, 2007 5:04 pm
Forum: Religion and the Bicameral Mind
Topic: Are There Any Christians Here?
Replies: 13
Views: 33319

It has always been interesting to me how people with different backgrounds can have completely different interpretations of Jaynes's book. For example, I once came across a Creationist website that talks about Jaynes's theory as support for "Christian Catastrophism" — as support for events such as...
by Moderator
Tue Mar 20, 2007 10:44 am
Forum: Hypnosis, Possession, and Altered States of Consciousness
Topic: "Divided Consciousness" by Ernest Hilgard
Replies: 8
Views: 21751

This is similar to the developmental vs. historical theory of the origin of religion discussed by David Stove in Reflections on the Dawn of Consciousness . This would be the developmental (transference of the feelings toward the parent in childhood) vs. historical (bicameral mind) need for external ...
by Moderator
Tue Mar 13, 2007 1:32 pm
Forum: The Nature of Consciousness: Its Features and Modes
Topic: Conscious Rats?
Replies: 2
Views: 12079

It's an interesting article, thanks for posting it. Part of the problem is the people doing this type of research into animal cognition are not necessarily doing a lot of reading on consciousness, so right off the bat there is a terminology problem, as the previous poster mentioned. It'd be interest...
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Fri Mar 09, 2007 10:23 am
Forum: Book Discussion: Origin of Consciousness; Gods, Voices, and the Bicameral Mind; The Julian Jaynes Collection; Reflections on the Dawn of Consciousness
Topic: Reflections Ch. 3 - Verbal Hallucinations & Preconscious...
Replies: 15
Views: 42904

I agree that we tend not to realize the extent to which mental processes take place outside of conscious awareness. I think I understand what you mean by your comparison of the subconscious mind with the bicameral mind, in the sense that they both involve information processing outside of conscious ...
by Moderator
Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:34 am
Forum: Mind from 9000 B.C. to 1000 A.D.: Analysis of Classic Literature, Linguistics, and Ancient Civilizations
Topic: J. Weissman on the Evidence for Bicamerality in the Iliad
Replies: 0
Views: 11672

J. Weissman on the Evidence for Bicamerality in the Iliad

I recently re-read Judith Weissman's discussion of the evidence for bicamerality in the Iliad and the Odyssey (in "Of Two Minds: Poets Who Hear Voices") and I thought some of the main points were worth summarizing here for discussion: 1. The legend of the Iliad was recited orally for centuries befor...
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Tue Mar 06, 2007 10:32 am
Forum: Hypnosis, Possession, and Altered States of Consciousness
Topic: "Divided Consciousness" by Ernest Hilgard
Replies: 8
Views: 21751

"Divided Consciousness" by Ernest Hilgard

If you can get a hold of a used copy or find it at the library (it's out of print), I recommend reading Ernest Hilgard's Divided Consciousness: Multiple Controls in Human Thought and Action . It's a great book on hypnosis by the famous Stanford professor (an early reviewer of Jaynes), and topics dis...
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Mon Feb 26, 2007 1:47 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: How to Explain Jaynes to Your Mother-in-Law
Replies: 9
Views: 18759

Hi Erik, I enjoyed your summary. An approach I've taken recently has been to explain Jaynes's theory in terms of his four main ideas: 1. Consciousness based on language 2. Dating consciousness to the end of the 2nd millenium B.C. 3. The idea of a prior mentality known as the bicameral mind 4. Jaynes...
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Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:25 pm
Forum: Book Discussion: Origin of Consciousness; Gods, Voices, and the Bicameral Mind; The Julian Jaynes Collection; Reflections on the Dawn of Consciousness
Topic: Reflections Ch. 3 - Verbal Hallucinations & Preconscious...
Replies: 15
Views: 42904

I think over the next decade we will see great advances in our understanding of the neurobiology of hallucinations. Several recent studies mentioned in Ch. 4 implicate the right temporal-parietal lobe as Jaynes suggested. The fact that patients with temporal lobe epilepsy often have both hallucinati...
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Mon Jan 29, 2007 5:49 pm
Forum: Book Discussion: Origin of Consciousness; Gods, Voices, and the Bicameral Mind; The Julian Jaynes Collection; Reflections on the Dawn of Consciousness
Topic: Reflections Ch. 3 - Verbal Hallucinations & Preconscious...
Replies: 15
Views: 42904

I think the underlying question here is what is the function or cause of hallucinations in general? If they are indeed a vestige of the bicameral mind, then it makes sense that they can be elicited in a wide variety of ways, including temporal lobe epilepsy, what we now call schizophrenia, and among...
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Sun Jan 28, 2007 1:52 pm
Forum: Book Discussion: Origin of Consciousness; Gods, Voices, and the Bicameral Mind; The Julian Jaynes Collection; Reflections on the Dawn of Consciousness
Topic: Reflections Ch. 2 - The Ghost of a Flea
Replies: 6
Views: 22420

Yes I remember being assigned that poem as well and thinking more or less the same thing. Regarding Jaynes's comment that Blake was not schizophrenic, I also found that intereresting. I suppose Jaynes meant that in Blake's time, prior to anti-psychotic medication, most schziophrenics were unable to ...
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Thu Jan 25, 2007 5:37 pm
Forum: Book Discussion: Origin of Consciousness; Gods, Voices, and the Bicameral Mind; The Julian Jaynes Collection; Reflections on the Dawn of Consciousness
Topic: Reflections Ch. 9 - The Oracles and Their Cessation
Replies: 7
Views: 22144

Hi Mark, It's great to see you catching these points of error made by Stove so quickly (after just a skim). I was tempted to footnote them but decided to leave his chapter untouched (Stove is deceased). I felt his thoughts in favor of the theory made it worth including despite some of his misconcept...
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Fri Jan 19, 2007 9:39 am
Forum: Auditory Hallucinations in Normal Adults
Topic: Washington Post Article on Hearing Voices (Jan. 15, 2007)
Replies: 1
Views: 13396

That was interesting, thank you. The lack of awareness (or "insight") of their illness is one of the most interesting aspects of schizophrenia, and seeing all of the different causes people attribute their auditory hallucinations to. Let us know if you hear back from the author.