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by Moderator
Sun Jun 05, 2016 1:17 pm
Forum: Book Discussion: Origin of Consciousness; Gods, Voices, and the Bicameral Mind; The Julian Jaynes Collection; Reflections on the Dawn of Consciousness
Topic: Now Available: Gods, Voices, and the Bicameral Mind
Replies: 0
Views: 18288

Now Available: Gods, Voices, and the Bicameral Mind

Now available, the latest book on Julian Jaynes's bicameral mind theory, Gods, Voices, and the Bicameral Mind: The Theories of Julian Jaynes . Table of Contents: Introduction by Marcel Kuijsten 1. Gods, Voices, and the Bicameral Mind: The Theories of Julian Jaynes, Charles Hampden-Turner 2. Reflecti...
by Moderator
Tue May 10, 2016 12:44 am
Forum: Religion and the Bicameral Mind
Topic: Pope Michael and the Bicameral Mind
Replies: 1
Views: 9932

Re: Pope Michael and the Bicameral Mind

Well it could be said to be related insofar as all religion is a vestige of the bicameral mind, and obviously some people will want to preserve the structures, hierarchies, and formal teachings built up around the last utterances of the gods more so than others. The Catholic Church is now struggling...
by Moderator
Mon Feb 29, 2016 11:38 pm
Forum: Dreams & Consciousness
Topic: Dreams and J-Consciousness
Replies: 4
Views: 20420

Re: Dreams and J-Consciousness

For the researchers to say that they know the content of dogs' dreams is highly speculative at best. It is tempting to read into twitching paws our own dream experience, but it is very unlikely that dogs or other animals without language have vicarial, translocative (in other words, conscious) dream...
by Moderator
Thu Jan 21, 2016 2:28 pm
Forum: The Bicameral Mind: Breakdown, Neurological Model, Evolution, etc.
Topic: Why Even Discuss Bicamerality?
Replies: 3
Views: 12065

Re: Why even discuss bicamerality?

I agree with Ottoworks. Bicamerality is not merely a historical curiosity but rather it is essential for an accurate understanding of the present human condition. In bicamrality, Jaynes offers the best explanation of the origin of gods and therefore religion. Bicamerality is the best explanation for...
by Moderator
Sun Dec 20, 2015 2:13 pm
Forum: The Nature of Consciousness: Its Features and Modes
Topic: A point of clarification - what does Jaynes mean?
Replies: 13
Views: 26230

Re: A point of clarification - what does Jaynes mean?

Regarding the widespread vestiges of bicamerality in preliterate societies, as I mentioned please see the posts in this section of the forum: http://www.julianjaynes.org/jjsforum/viewforum.php?f=13 Vestiges of bicamerality in preliterate societies is also discussed in the introduction to The Julian ...
by Moderator
Sun Dec 06, 2015 9:44 pm
Forum: The Nature of Consciousness: Its Features and Modes
Topic: A point of clarification - what does Jaynes mean?
Replies: 13
Views: 26230

Re: A point of clarification - what does Jaynes mean?

Yes reactivity to external stimuli is one aspect but I think the majority of what is often now lumped in with consciousness is sense perception. Jaynes is very clear about his definition, whereas the majority of others writing on consciousness don't define exactly what it is they are talking about, ...
by Moderator
Thu Dec 03, 2015 1:39 pm
Forum: The Nature of Consciousness: Its Features and Modes
Topic: A point of clarification - what does Jaynes mean?
Replies: 13
Views: 26230

Re: A point of clarification - what does Jaynes mean?

Yes Jaynes felt that consciousness as he defines it is learned based on metaphorical language, and then taught to each successive generation. We are now seeing a growing body of evidence to support this in child development studies. Pre-literate societies could have learned consciousness independent...
by Moderator
Mon Nov 30, 2015 1:45 pm
Forum: The Nature of Consciousness: Its Features and Modes
Topic: A point of clarification - what does Jaynes mean?
Replies: 13
Views: 26230

Re: A point of clarification - what does Jaynes mean?

Yes, you're touching on one of the major problems plaguing the field of consciousness studies in general (i.e., lack of a widely agreed upon lexicon), and the understanding of Jaynes's theory in particular. Most of the critiques of Jaynes's theory are by individuals who haven't read his book and thi...
by Moderator
Thu Sep 03, 2015 9:53 am
Forum: Religion and the Bicameral Mind
Topic: Are There Any Christians Here?
Replies: 13
Views: 35200

Re: Are There Any Christians Here?

That's a great question. It may have been viewed that way as consciousness opens the door to the possibility for evil.... whereas animals are amoral, through consciousness humans for the first time had the capacity for evil.
by Moderator
Tue Aug 18, 2015 3:22 pm
Forum: Myths and Misconceptions About the Theory
Topic: Intro to Myths and Misconceptions
Replies: 2
Views: 16810

Intro to Myths and Misconceptions

For a variety of reasons, myths and misconceptions about Jaynes's theory abound. Often those who write or comment on Jaynes's theory unfortunately don't first take the time to properly understand it. They seem to often skim the book, only read a summary of it, or for other reasons jump to conclusion...
by Moderator
Thu Jun 25, 2015 4:38 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Oracles and their relation to today's politician's
Replies: 2
Views: 10401

Re: Oracles and their relation to today's politician's

You're covering a lot of different topics... just to touch on your main idea, I think the comparison of oracles with modern politicians may be a bit of stretch, but I see what you are getting at. Politically, I think we've seen many of these issues before, and in my view the pendulum kind of swings ...
by Moderator
Wed May 20, 2015 2:20 pm
Forum: The Bicameral Mind: Breakdown, Neurological Model, Evolution, etc.
Topic: How Did Everyone Hear The Same God?
Replies: 9
Views: 18099

Re: How Did Everyone Hear The Same God?

So for purposes of clarification, that is definitely Jaynes's position. He did not appeal to any supernatural or mystical explanations for the voices.
by Moderator
Tue Apr 28, 2015 2:14 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Hello, and a site formatting question
Replies: 1
Views: 8465

Re: Hello, and a site formatting question

Hi Steve,

I'm glad to hear you're enjoying Jaynes's book.

I've looked at other posts with quotes and apostrophes and I'm not seeing the formatting issue.

It may be an issue with your browser settings. Have you tried using a different browser?

Is anyone else seeing this issue?
by Moderator
Mon Mar 30, 2015 2:00 pm
Forum: The Bicameral Mind in Fiction, Film, and Popular Culture
Topic: Under the Skin
Replies: 1
Views: 10630

Re: Under the Skin

Thanks for the recommendation... it sounds interesting, I'll check it out!

You might also enjoy Automata (2014), with Antonio Banderas, for some of the Jaynesian implications.