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by Moderator
Sun Dec 20, 2015 2:13 pm
Forum: The Nature of Consciousness: Its Features and Modes
Topic: A point of clarification - what does Jaynes mean?
Replies: 13
Views: 23790

Re: A point of clarification - what does Jaynes mean?

Regarding the widespread vestiges of bicamerality in preliterate societies, as I mentioned please see the posts in this section of the forum: http://www.julianjaynes.org/jjsforum/viewforum.php?f=13 Vestiges of bicamerality in preliterate societies is also discussed in the introduction to The Julian ...
by Moderator
Sun Dec 06, 2015 9:44 pm
Forum: The Nature of Consciousness: Its Features and Modes
Topic: A point of clarification - what does Jaynes mean?
Replies: 13
Views: 23790

Re: A point of clarification - what does Jaynes mean?

Yes reactivity to external stimuli is one aspect but I think the majority of what is often now lumped in with consciousness is sense perception. Jaynes is very clear about his definition, whereas the majority of others writing on consciousness don't define exactly what it is they are talking about, ...
by Moderator
Thu Dec 03, 2015 1:39 pm
Forum: The Nature of Consciousness: Its Features and Modes
Topic: A point of clarification - what does Jaynes mean?
Replies: 13
Views: 23790

Re: A point of clarification - what does Jaynes mean?

Yes Jaynes felt that consciousness as he defines it is learned based on metaphorical language, and then taught to each successive generation. We are now seeing a growing body of evidence to support this in child development studies. Pre-literate societies could have learned consciousness independent...
by Moderator
Mon Nov 30, 2015 1:45 pm
Forum: The Nature of Consciousness: Its Features and Modes
Topic: A point of clarification - what does Jaynes mean?
Replies: 13
Views: 23790

Re: A point of clarification - what does Jaynes mean?

Yes, you're touching on one of the major problems plaguing the field of consciousness studies in general (i.e., lack of a widely agreed upon lexicon), and the understanding of Jaynes's theory in particular. Most of the critiques of Jaynes's theory are by individuals who haven't read his book and thi...
by Moderator
Thu Sep 03, 2015 9:53 am
Forum: Religion and the Bicameral Mind
Topic: Are There Any Christians Here?
Replies: 13
Views: 33093

Re: Are There Any Christians Here?

That's a great question. It may have been viewed that way as consciousness opens the door to the possibility for evil.... whereas animals are amoral, through consciousness humans for the first time had the capacity for evil.
by Moderator
Tue Aug 18, 2015 3:22 pm
Forum: Myths and Misconceptions About the Theory
Topic: Intro to Myths and Misconceptions
Replies: 2
Views: 14568

Intro to Myths and Misconceptions

For a variety of reasons, myths and misconceptions about Jaynes's theory abound. Often those who write or comment on Jaynes's theory unfortunately don't first take the time to properly understand it. They seem to often skim the book, only read a summary of it, or for other reasons jump to conclusion...
by Moderator
Thu Jun 25, 2015 4:38 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Oracles and their relation to today's politician's
Replies: 2
Views: 9291

Re: Oracles and their relation to today's politician's

You're covering a lot of different topics... just to touch on your main idea, I think the comparison of oracles with modern politicians may be a bit of stretch, but I see what you are getting at. Politically, I think we've seen many of these issues before, and in my view the pendulum kind of swings ...
by Moderator
Wed May 20, 2015 2:20 pm
Forum: The Bicameral Mind: Breakdown, Neurological Model, Evolution, etc.
Topic: How Did Everyone Hear The Same God?
Replies: 9
Views: 16489

Re: How Did Everyone Hear The Same God?

So for purposes of clarification, that is definitely Jaynes's position. He did not appeal to any supernatural or mystical explanations for the voices.
by Moderator
Tue Apr 28, 2015 2:14 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Hello, and a site formatting question
Replies: 1
Views: 7563

Re: Hello, and a site formatting question

Hi Steve,

I'm glad to hear you're enjoying Jaynes's book.

I've looked at other posts with quotes and apostrophes and I'm not seeing the formatting issue.

It may be an issue with your browser settings. Have you tried using a different browser?

Is anyone else seeing this issue?
by Moderator
Mon Mar 30, 2015 2:00 pm
Forum: The Bicameral Mind in Fiction, Film, and Popular Culture
Topic: Under the Skin
Replies: 1
Views: 9852

Re: Under the Skin

Thanks for the recommendation... it sounds interesting, I'll check it out!

You might also enjoy Automata (2014), with Antonio Banderas, for some of the Jaynesian implications.
by Moderator
Wed Nov 19, 2014 2:17 pm
Forum: The Bicameral Mind in Fiction, Film, and Popular Culture
Topic: Harry Turtledove's "Between the Rivers"
Replies: 1
Views: 7628

Re: Harry Turtledove's "Between the Rivers"

Interesting! I was not aware of this one.
by Moderator
Tue Nov 18, 2014 5:14 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Jeffrey Stamps and Thomas Forster
Replies: 1
Views: 8005

Re: Jeffrey Stamps and Thomas Forster

I was aware of these, however the Stamps book was not searchable when I first saw that it contained a reference to Jaynes (and I don't own a copy), so I didn't know the discussion of Jaynes was this extensive. I'm looking at it on Google Books now and it looks like he provides a fairly extensive ove...
by Moderator
Wed Nov 12, 2014 2:09 pm
Forum: News Items Related to Jaynes's Theory
Topic: Stanford Prof. Names Jaynes' "Origin" As Most Influential
Replies: 0
Views: 12272

Stanford Prof. Names Jaynes' "Origin" As Most Influential

Stanford Professor T.M. Luhrmann cites Julian Jaynes's book as having been the most influential to her in this Chronicle of Higher Education article: What Book Changed Your Mind?
by Moderator
Mon Sep 22, 2014 2:06 pm
Forum: The Bicameral Mind in Fiction, Film, and Popular Culture
Topic: Jaynes's Book Incorporated by South Korean Artist Lee Bul
Replies: 0
Views: 12244

Jaynes's Book Incorporated by South Korean Artist Lee Bul

Pages from Julian Jaynes's book were incorporated by the South Korean artist Lee Bul in her "Via Negativa II," which explores self awareness. The video posted here shows the exhibit, and the pages of Jaynes's book at 2:15: http://thecreatorsproject.vice.com/blog/lee-bul-via-negativa-ii The pages of ...