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by Moderator
Mon Aug 15, 2005 5:59 pm
Forum: Religion and the Bicameral Mind
Topic: The Rise of "One True God" Religions
Replies: 22
Views: 55457

I would say that yes, Jaynes's definition of consciousness is what some would prefer to term "self-consciousness" or that which is introspectable. He outlines his definition quite clearly. Terminology is a major obstacle to discussing consciousness. For example, what others such as Damasio term "cor...
by Moderator
Wed Jul 27, 2005 12:09 pm
Forum: Religion and the Bicameral Mind
Topic: The Rise of "One True God" Religions
Replies: 22
Views: 55457

The anthropologist's online book does look interesting - thanks for providing the link. There is a section particularly relevant to the present discussion called "The Rise of Hebrew Monotheism." The catastrophism / electrostatics issue was raised under General Discussion > Bicameral breakdown: http:...
by Moderator
Thu Jul 14, 2005 7:31 pm
Forum: Religion and the Bicameral Mind
Topic: The Rise of "One True God" Religions
Replies: 22
Views: 55457

...I had a few additional thoughts on this topic, coming back to it again after some time. First off, I want to say I am not a Biblical scholar or religious historian, and my thoughts here may not be accurate and are certainly open to debate. I welcome any commentary, alternate views, etc. With that...
by Moderator
Tue Jul 12, 2005 11:07 am
Forum: The Nature of Consciousness: Its Features and Modes
Topic: "The User Illusion" by Tor Nørretranders
Replies: 5
Views: 19754

"The User Illusion" by Tor Nørretranders

Just rereading The User Illusion by Tor Nørretranders. There is a lot of material that ties in with Jaynes's ideas. He describes research and experiments that suggest consciousness is involved in much less of our thinking and behavior than we are led to believe -- that most of our actions are indee...
by Moderator
Wed May 04, 2005 12:47 am
Forum: Religion and the Bicameral Mind
Topic: Jaynes's View of Religion
Replies: 18
Views: 46085

Yes that is a good point made by Ardery. The "mind space" has an arbitrary location. However, as Jaynes points out in the same quote, he sees it as based on brain activity, which is what I was trying to get at. In that sense I would disagree that this quote supports Soupdragon's contention (which, i...
by Moderator
Wed Apr 27, 2005 1:32 am
Forum: Religion and the Bicameral Mind
Topic: Jaynes's View of Religion
Replies: 18
Views: 46085

One of the difficulties with the discussion of consciousness is that it has an ambigious definition and means something different to everyone. This is why Jaynes went to such great lengths to clarify his definition of consciousness in the first two chapters of his book. I'd like to clarify the discu...
by Moderator
Tue Apr 19, 2005 9:02 pm
Forum: Religion and the Bicameral Mind
Topic: Jaynes's View of Religion
Replies: 18
Views: 46085

Butterfly: According to Jaynes it was not so much a yearning for God as it was the misattribution of hallucinations to the voices of dead leaders, thereby creating the notion of gods in the first place. While the idea you raise is certainly possible, I don't think that was Jaynes's interpretation, w...
by Moderator
Tue Apr 19, 2005 3:52 pm
Forum: Religion and the Bicameral Mind
Topic: Somer's Psychological Analysis of Biblical Prophets
Replies: 3
Views: 14468

Somer's Psychological Analysis of Biblical Prophets

Butterfly: Essentially they are both identifying the same phenomenon (i.e. auditory hallucinations in Biblical prophets) but calling it by different names. As Somers does not seem to be familiar with Jaynes’s bicameral mind theory, he is placing auditory hallucinations in a modern psychiatric cont...
by Moderator
Sat Apr 16, 2005 9:01 pm
Forum: Religion and the Bicameral Mind
Topic: Jaynes's View of Religion
Replies: 18
Views: 46085

Sambrenton, welcome to the forum. I agree with your interpretation, although not necessarily an attack, certainly an explanation. Butterfly: You might enjoy Phantoms in the Brain by V.S. Ramachandran. However, only Chapter 9, "God and the Limbic System," deals with the issue of neuroscience and reli...
by Moderator
Fri Apr 15, 2005 9:42 pm
Forum: Religion and the Bicameral Mind
Topic: Somer's Psychological Analysis of Biblical Prophets
Replies: 3
Views: 14468

Somer's Psychological Analysis of Biblical Prophets

Dr. Herman Somer's psychological analysis of Biblical prophets dovetails nicely with Jaynes's work, specifically Book II, Chapter 6 and Book III, Chapter 2. His books, "Toen God sliep, schreef de mens de Bijbel. De Bijbel belicht door een psycholoog" (While God was Sleeping, Man Wrote the Bible: The...
by Moderator
Fri Apr 15, 2005 12:16 pm
Forum: The Bicameral Mind: Breakdown, Neurological Model, Evolution, etc.
Topic: Bicameral Breakdown
Replies: 9
Views: 27518

I agree with the last post. Jaynes mentions the advent of writing and the mixing of different populations as critical factors, and in the Afterward (1990 edition) says in retrospect he might not have made as much of the Thera explosion. The shift to consciousness in China and Latin America, for exam...
by Moderator
Fri Apr 15, 2005 12:01 pm
Forum: The Bicameral Mind in Fiction, Film, and Popular Culture
Topic: The Bicameral Mind in His Dark Materials /The Golden Compass
Replies: 6
Views: 19084

I haven't read Pullman's books but it sounds similar to the description of Socrates' daemon as described in "Voices of Reason, Voices of Insanity" by Leudar & Thomas. Socrates had a voice he called a "daemon" that advised him and guided his actions. Leudar & Thomas are critical of Jaynes's interpret...
by Moderator
Thu Apr 07, 2005 6:47 pm
Forum: Religion and the Bicameral Mind
Topic: The Prophet Mohammed, Islam, and the Bicameral Mind
Replies: 2
Views: 13851

The Prophet Mohammed, Islam, and the Bicameral Mind

This is a very interesting article on Mohammed's trance states (reminiscent of the Oracle at Delphi) and auditory/visual hallucinations: Wahi: the Supernatural Basis of Islam It raises the possibility that Islam was founded on the auditory hallucinations of Mohammed, who for psychological or perhaps...
by Moderator
Fri Apr 01, 2005 9:59 pm
Forum: Mind from 9000 B.C. to 1000 A.D.: Analysis of Classic Literature, Linguistics, and Ancient Civilizations
Topic: R.A. Schwaller de Lubicz & Egyptology
Replies: 5
Views: 18181

R.A. Schwaller de Lubicz & Egyptology

[reposted from an earlier version of Jaynes Forum - Mod. ] Hello, I am in the process of reading TOOC and was wondering if there were any others on this board who were familiar with the work of R.A. Schwaller de Lubicz as it relates to Egypt (heiroglyphs, Temple of Luxor, etc.). I feel that there is...
by Moderator
Thu Mar 24, 2005 1:30 am
Forum: Mind from 9000 B.C. to 1000 A.D.: Analysis of Classic Literature, Linguistics, and Ancient Civilizations
Topic: "Egyptian Religion" by Siegfried Morenz
Replies: 1
Views: 11246

"Egyptian Religion" by Siegfried Morenz

Egyptian Religion by Siegfried Morenz (1973) describes how ancient Egyptians experienced "divine commandments" of the gods that bear a striking similarity to descriptions of the bicameral mind by Jaynes. He writes, "...subject to such divine commands are the living...who are ordered by the earth-go...