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Thu Jun 22, 2006 9:48 am
Forum: Consciousness and Hallucinations (Imaginary Companions) in Children
Topic: Do Children Have "Consciousness" As We Know It?
Replies: 2
Views: 16199

It's an interesting topic.... Daniel Dennett made some very Jaynesian comments recently along these lines. The following is his quote from http://www.edge.org in response to the question, "What do you believe is true even though you cannot prove it?" "I believe, but cannot yet prove, that acquiring ...
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Fri Mar 31, 2006 9:24 am
Forum: Schizophrenia
Topic: I Want the Voices to Stop
Replies: 9
Views: 26163

I have a friend also suffering from schizophrenia. Have you looked online for a support group in your area? It could be a good place to share experiences and also find out about a good doctor, the latest treatments, etc. Don't give up completely on the medication. It can take a lot of experimentatio...
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Wed Sep 14, 2005 3:42 pm
Forum: The Bicameral Mind: Breakdown, Neurological Model, Evolution, etc.
Topic: Evidence of Human Brain Mutation circa 3800 BC
Replies: 4
Views: 17663

Yes I saw that article as well. Interesting stuff! We'll have to see how this research develops.
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Wed Aug 24, 2005 5:31 pm
Forum: Schizophrenia
Topic: Schizophrenia: An Invalid Concept
Replies: 2
Views: 15561

Yes I think Romme & Escher have gone a long way in showing that auditory hallucinations are present on a continuum throughout society and not necessarily an indication of mental illness. A few of the early studies of hearing voices in normals were actually inspired by Jaynes's book. However, I think...
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Mon Aug 15, 2005 5:59 pm
Forum: Religion and the Bicameral Mind
Topic: The Rise of "One True God" Religions
Replies: 22
Views: 58261

I would say that yes, Jaynes's definition of consciousness is what some would prefer to term "self-consciousness" or that which is introspectable. He outlines his definition quite clearly. Terminology is a major obstacle to discussing consciousness. For example, what others such as Damasio term "cor...
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Wed Jul 27, 2005 12:09 pm
Forum: Religion and the Bicameral Mind
Topic: The Rise of "One True God" Religions
Replies: 22
Views: 58261

The anthropologist's online book does look interesting - thanks for providing the link. There is a section particularly relevant to the present discussion called "The Rise of Hebrew Monotheism." The catastrophism / electrostatics issue was raised under General Discussion > Bicameral breakdown: http:...
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Thu Jul 14, 2005 7:31 pm
Forum: Religion and the Bicameral Mind
Topic: The Rise of "One True God" Religions
Replies: 22
Views: 58261

...I had a few additional thoughts on this topic, coming back to it again after some time. First off, I want to say I am not a Biblical scholar or religious historian, and my thoughts here may not be accurate and are certainly open to debate. I welcome any commentary, alternate views, etc. With that...
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Tue Jul 12, 2005 11:07 am
Forum: The Nature of Consciousness: Its Features and Modes
Topic: "The User Illusion" by Tor Nørretranders
Replies: 5
Views: 20723

"The User Illusion" by Tor Nørretranders

Just rereading The User Illusion by Tor Nørretranders. There is a lot of material that ties in with Jaynes's ideas. He describes research and experiments that suggest consciousness is involved in much less of our thinking and behavior than we are led to believe -- that most of our actions are indee...
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Wed May 04, 2005 12:47 am
Forum: Religion and the Bicameral Mind
Topic: Jaynes's View of Religion
Replies: 18
Views: 48719

Yes that is a good point made by Ardery. The "mind space" has an arbitrary location. However, as Jaynes points out in the same quote, he sees it as based on brain activity, which is what I was trying to get at. In that sense I would disagree that this quote supports Soupdragon's contention (which, i...
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Wed Apr 27, 2005 1:32 am
Forum: Religion and the Bicameral Mind
Topic: Jaynes's View of Religion
Replies: 18
Views: 48719

One of the difficulties with the discussion of consciousness is that it has an ambigious definition and means something different to everyone. This is why Jaynes went to such great lengths to clarify his definition of consciousness in the first two chapters of his book. I'd like to clarify the discu...
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Tue Apr 19, 2005 9:02 pm
Forum: Religion and the Bicameral Mind
Topic: Jaynes's View of Religion
Replies: 18
Views: 48719

Butterfly: According to Jaynes it was not so much a yearning for God as it was the misattribution of hallucinations to the voices of dead leaders, thereby creating the notion of gods in the first place. While the idea you raise is certainly possible, I don't think that was Jaynes's interpretation, w...
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Tue Apr 19, 2005 3:52 pm
Forum: Religion and the Bicameral Mind
Topic: Somer's Psychological Analysis of Biblical Prophets
Replies: 3
Views: 15294

Somer's Psychological Analysis of Biblical Prophets

Butterfly: Essentially they are both identifying the same phenomenon (i.e. auditory hallucinations in Biblical prophets) but calling it by different names. As Somers does not seem to be familiar with Jaynes’s bicameral mind theory, he is placing auditory hallucinations in a modern psychiatric cont...
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Sat Apr 16, 2005 9:01 pm
Forum: Religion and the Bicameral Mind
Topic: Jaynes's View of Religion
Replies: 18
Views: 48719

Sambrenton, welcome to the forum. I agree with your interpretation, although not necessarily an attack, certainly an explanation. Butterfly: You might enjoy Phantoms in the Brain by V.S. Ramachandran. However, only Chapter 9, "God and the Limbic System," deals with the issue of neuroscience and reli...
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Fri Apr 15, 2005 9:42 pm
Forum: Religion and the Bicameral Mind
Topic: Somer's Psychological Analysis of Biblical Prophets
Replies: 3
Views: 15294

Somer's Psychological Analysis of Biblical Prophets

Dr. Herman Somer's psychological analysis of Biblical prophets dovetails nicely with Jaynes's work, specifically Book II, Chapter 6 and Book III, Chapter 2. His books, "Toen God sliep, schreef de mens de Bijbel. De Bijbel belicht door een psycholoog" (While God was Sleeping, Man Wrote the Bible: The...
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Fri Apr 15, 2005 12:16 pm
Forum: The Bicameral Mind: Breakdown, Neurological Model, Evolution, etc.
Topic: Bicameral Breakdown
Replies: 9
Views: 29050

I agree with the last post. Jaynes mentions the advent of writing and the mixing of different populations as critical factors, and in the Afterward (1990 edition) says in retrospect he might not have made as much of the Thera explosion. The shift to consciousness in China and Latin America, for exam...