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Fri May 09, 2014 3:16 pm
Forum: The Mentality of Pre-Literate and Pre-Modern Peoples
Topic: Vestiges of Bicameralism in the Pirahã
Replies: 3
Views: 15246

Vestiges of Bicameralism in the Pirahã

The book Don't Sleep, There Are Snakes: Life and Language in the Amazonian Jungle by Daniel L. Everett contains descriptions vestiges of bicameralism among the Pirahãs, an isolated tribe living in the Brazilian Amazon rainforest: "The Pirahãs change names from time to time, usually when individual...
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Fri May 09, 2014 2:19 pm
Forum: Mind from 9000 B.C. to 1000 A.D.: Analysis of Classic Literature, Linguistics, and Ancient Civilizations
Topic: Gilgamesh Stories
Replies: 3
Views: 14712

Re: Gilgamesh Stories

Again this type of phraseology to me is somewhat vague and would likely be open to the interpretation of the translators. The non-bicameral dream is more problematic. It's unfortunate we can't get Jaynes's comments on this, although he does briefly reference this in a talk he gave on bicameral dream...
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Fri May 09, 2014 11:52 am
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Welcome / Introductions
Replies: 29
Views: 59543

Re: Welcome / Introductions

Welcome ASD! Jaynes was asked the same question regarding proof in an interview published in The Julian Jaynes Collection . I highly recommend reading the entire book for a fuller understanding the theory. The question of why some people remain open to the theory while others have a knee-jerk skepti...
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Fri May 09, 2014 11:36 am
Forum: Book Discussion: Origin of Consciousness; Gods, Voices, and the Bicameral Mind; The Julian Jaynes Collection; Reflections on the Dawn of Consciousness
Topic: Jaynes's Unpublished Chapters
Replies: 1
Views: 9990

Re: Jaynes's Unpublished Chapters

Thank you for your interest in the unpublished Jaynes material. The short answer is the unpublished chapters do not constitute enough material for a complete book, and some additional writing will be added to both introduce each chapter as well as bring readers up-to-date on the relevant new support...
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Wed May 07, 2014 8:50 pm
Forum: News Items Related to Jaynes's Theory
Topic: New Research on Consciousness and Speech
Replies: 0
Views: 12766

New Research on Consciousness and Speech

Julian Jaynes writes that consciousness in not necessary for speech, and new research supports that idea:

http://www.scientificamerican.com/artic ... ure-saying

What do you think?
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Tue May 06, 2014 12:50 am
Forum: Conferences, Events, and Local Discussion Groups
Topic: 2013 Julian Jaynes Society Conference on Consciousness
Replies: 4
Views: 19212

Re: 2013 Julian Jaynes Society Conference on Consciousness

The 2013 Julian Jaynes Society Conference on Consciousness and Bicameral Studies audio CD is now available. It contains 24 lectures related to Jaynes's theory plus a Q & A session with Rabbi James Cohn, Marcel Kuijsten, and Brian J. McVeigh, totaling nearly 12 hours of material. Each lecture has bee...
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Wed Apr 30, 2014 12:54 pm
Forum: News Items Related to Jaynes's Theory
Topic: Christof Koch Dissing Jaynes in Scientific American Mind
Replies: 7
Views: 14999

Re: Christof Koch Dissing Jaynes in Scientific American Mind

Thank you Andrew for posting your thoughtful response to the Koch article and for calling our attention to this. This is exactly the kind of thing I'd like to see more people doing. I encourage others to do the same when they see misunderstandings or these types of non-substantive criticisms of Jayn...
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Mon Mar 24, 2014 5:35 pm
Forum: Mind from 9000 B.C. to 1000 A.D.: Analysis of Classic Literature, Linguistics, and Ancient Civilizations
Topic: Gilgamesh Stories
Replies: 3
Views: 14712

Re: Gilgamesh Stories

A few quick thoughts: 1. Specifically dealing with this subject, see Jaynes p. 253 and the other references to Gilgamesh in the index. 2. I don't think the dating stated in your post is accurate ("end of the third millennium BCE"). There are different versions dating to different time periods, proba...
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Mon Mar 10, 2014 10:48 pm
Forum: The Bicameral Mind: Breakdown, Neurological Model, Evolution, etc.
Topic: How Did Everyone Hear The Same God?
Replies: 9
Views: 16877

Re: How did everyone hear the same god?

I think this is a point of confusion for a lot of people. What you have to remember is that these were strictly organized hierarchical societies. Only the high priests heard the voices of the great gods. These commands -- to build a temple, start a war, etc. -- were then communicated verbally down t...
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Sun Feb 16, 2014 4:08 pm
Forum: Mind from 9000 B.C. to 1000 A.D.: Analysis of Classic Literature, Linguistics, and Ancient Civilizations
Topic: The Iliad - which translation?
Replies: 3
Views: 11223

Re: The Iliad - which translation?

We know Jaynes refers to commentary on the Iliad by Walter Leaf, preferred earlier translations, and may have used the Leaf, Lang, Myers translation:

http://julianjaynes.org/related-books_iliad.php
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Mon Feb 10, 2014 2:20 pm
Forum: The Bicameral Mind: Breakdown, Neurological Model, Evolution, etc.
Topic: What If Ancient People Really Were Hearing The Gods?
Replies: 4
Views: 12080

Re: What If Ancient People Really Were Hearing The Gods?

The auditory hallucinations aspect of Jaynes's theory is often the most difficult for people to accept. However, after talking to many people that have the voice-hearing experience, or reading enough case studies, one comes to appreciate the conviction many voice-hearers have in the reality of their...
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Mon Jan 27, 2014 4:32 pm
Forum: The Bicameral Mind: Breakdown, Neurological Model, Evolution, etc.
Topic: What If Ancient People Really Were Hearing The Gods?
Replies: 4
Views: 12080

Re: What If Ancient People Really Were Hearing The Gods?

Although it comes up from time to time in discussions of Jaynes's theory, I don't think there is any evidence (at least that I've seen) that would support this idea, and there is a great deal of evidence to support the voices as hallucinations hypothesis. Evidence to support the voices-as-gods hypot...
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Fri Dec 27, 2013 4:00 pm
Forum: The Nature of Consciousness: Its Features and Modes
Topic: The Analog "I" and the Regular "I"
Replies: 2
Views: 11440

Re: The Analog "I" and the Regular "I"

You can think of the analog "I" as similar to "the mind's eye" where you to imagine yourself doing things in various places. The evidence suggests that this was absent, or very limited, prior to 1200 B.C. Some of the most interesting evidence for this comes from the first recorded dreams, which were...
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Fri Dec 27, 2013 3:49 pm
Forum: Conferences, Events, and Local Discussion Groups
Topic: Any insights into the likelihood of a 2014 conference?
Replies: 1
Views: 9119

Re: Any insights into the likelihood of a 2014 conference?

There's no conference planned for 2014, but thank you for your interest.

We'll be releasing material from the 2013 conference soon.
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Fri Oct 04, 2013 4:05 pm
Forum: News Items Related to Jaynes's Theory
Topic: Miriam Carey Had Been Hallucinating the Voice of Obama
Replies: 0
Views: 12902

Miriam Carey Had Been Hallucinating the Voice of Obama

It looks like the woman tragically killed this week at the capitol was having bicameral-like hallucinations. Miriam Carey had been hallucinating and thought that President Obama was communicating with her. It's interesting that voice-hearers often hallucinate religious and political leaders, which f...