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by Moderator
Thu Oct 27, 2016 10:19 am
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Real World Practical Implications of Jaynes' Theory
Replies: 9
Views: 21086

Re: Real world practical implications of Jaynes' theory

Another area where Jaynes's ideas have shaped my thinking has to do with predicting the future. There was no concept of chance in the bicameral era (recall gambling traces it's roots to throwing of lots for divination), and with consciousness we've become obsessed with knowing the future/the will of...
by Moderator
Fri Oct 21, 2016 1:50 pm
Forum: The Bicameral Mind in Fiction, Film & Popular Culture
Topic: A Complete List of References to Jaynes in Film and Fiction
Replies: 3
Views: 17218

A Complete List of References to Jaynes in Film and Fiction

Below is an attempt at a complete list of references to Julian Jaynes's bicameral mind theory in film and fiction. Please let us know if we've missed anything... we learn of new references to Jaynes all the time. Film & Television - Jaynes inspired storyline Westworld (HBO) - Jonathan Nolan (Jay...
by Moderator
Wed Oct 19, 2016 3:20 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Real World Practical Implications of Jaynes' Theory
Replies: 9
Views: 21086

Re: Real world practical implications of Jaynes' theory.

I've had a somewhat similar experience. The answers Jaynes's theory provides on the origin of religion had a profound impact on my worldview very early on. Another area is the idea that consciousness is learned, therefore variable and, at least to some degree, can be improved upon. I began thinking ...
by Moderator
Wed Oct 12, 2016 6:19 pm
Forum: The Bicameral Mind in Fiction, Film & Popular Culture
Topic: Jaynes' Bicameral Mind Theory Featured in HBO's "Westworld"
Replies: 2
Views: 9247

Jaynes' Bicameral Mind Theory Featured in HBO's "Westworld"

Julian Jaynes's theory will be featured in the new HBO series "Westworld." Julian Jaynes will be mentioned by name and his theory will be discussed by Anthony Hopkins' character Dr. Robert Ford starting in Episode 3, "The Stray." The season finale (Episode 10) is even titled &quo...
by Moderator
Tue Jul 12, 2016 3:19 pm
Forum: 2.4. Hypothesis Two: The Bicameral Mind | Subtopic: Religion & the Bicameral Mind
Topic: Modernity Founded Upon Dreams, Hallucinations, Visions, etc
Replies: 1
Views: 8363

Re: Modernity Founded Upon Dreams, Hallucinations, Visions,

It is amazing if you step back and think about how our entire world has been shaped by auditory hallucinations. Here's my take on the process, summarized very briefly: We evolved over millions of years, and during this process much of what we understand as morality was encoded in our genes. Those th...
by Moderator
Tue Jul 12, 2016 3:09 pm
Forum: 2.6. Hypothesis Two: The Bicameral Mind | Subtopic: The Mentality of Pre-Literate & Pre-Modern Peoples
Topic: Language-less Deaf Adults who are Taught ASL
Replies: 1
Views: 16984

Re: Language-less Deaf Adults who are Taught ASL

Thanks for sharing these resources. I remember listening to the Radiolab "Words that Change the World" when it first came out and it's a good one, worth listening to again! It sounds like there are similarities between A Man Without Words and Hellen Keller's autobiography The Story of My L...
by Moderator
Sun Jun 05, 2016 1:17 pm
Forum: Book Discussion: Origin of Consciousness; Gods, Voices, and the Bicameral Mind; The Julian Jaynes Collection; Reflections on the Dawn of Consciousness
Topic: Now Available: Gods, Voices, and the Bicameral Mind
Replies: 0
Views: 20929

Now Available: Gods, Voices, and the Bicameral Mind

Now available, the latest book on Julian Jaynes's bicameral mind theory, Gods, Voices, and the Bicameral Mind: The Theories of Julian Jaynes . Table of Contents: Introduction by Marcel Kuijsten 1. Gods, Voices, and the Bicameral Mind: The Theories of Julian Jaynes, Charles Hampden-Turner 2. Reflecti...
by Moderator
Tue May 10, 2016 12:44 am
Forum: 2.4. Hypothesis Two: The Bicameral Mind | Subtopic: Religion & the Bicameral Mind
Topic: Pope Michael and the Bicameral Mind
Replies: 1
Views: 11058

Re: Pope Michael and the Bicameral Mind

Well it could be said to be related insofar as all religion is a vestige of the bicameral mind, and obviously some people will want to preserve the structures, hierarchies, and formal teachings built up around the last utterances of the gods more so than others. The Catholic Church is now struggling...
by Moderator
Mon Feb 29, 2016 11:38 pm
Forum: 1.01. Hypothesis One: Consciousness Based On Language | Subtopic: Consciousness & Dreams
Topic: Dreams and J-Consciousness
Replies: 4
Views: 23312

Re: Dreams and J-Consciousness

For the researchers to say that they know the content of dogs' dreams is highly speculative at best. It is tempting to read into twitching paws our own dream experience, but it is very unlikely that dogs or other animals without language have vicarial, translocative (in other words, conscious) dream...
by Moderator
Thu Jan 21, 2016 2:28 pm
Forum: 2.0. Hypothesis Two: The Bicameral Mind
Topic: Why Even Discuss Bicamerality?
Replies: 3
Views: 13474

Re: Why even discuss bicamerality?

I agree with Ottoworks. Bicamerality is not merely a historical curiosity but rather it is essential for an accurate understanding of the present human condition. In bicamrality, Jaynes offers the best explanation of the origin of gods and therefore religion. Bicamerality is the best explanation for...
by Moderator
Sun Dec 20, 2015 2:13 pm
Forum: 1.0. Hypothesis One: Consciousness Based On Language
Topic: A point of clarification - what does Jaynes mean?
Replies: 13
Views: 30267

Re: A point of clarification - what does Jaynes mean?

Regarding the widespread vestiges of bicamerality in preliterate societies, as I mentioned please see the posts in this section of the forum: http://www.julianjaynes.org/jjsforum/viewforum.php?f=13 Vestiges of bicamerality in preliterate societies is also discussed in the introduction to The Julian ...
by Moderator
Sun Dec 06, 2015 9:44 pm
Forum: 1.0. Hypothesis One: Consciousness Based On Language
Topic: A point of clarification - what does Jaynes mean?
Replies: 13
Views: 30267

Re: A point of clarification - what does Jaynes mean?

Yes reactivity to external stimuli is one aspect but I think the majority of what is often now lumped in with consciousness is sense perception. Jaynes is very clear about his definition, whereas the majority of others writing on consciousness don't define exactly what it is they are talking about, ...
by Moderator
Thu Dec 03, 2015 1:39 pm
Forum: 1.0. Hypothesis One: Consciousness Based On Language
Topic: A point of clarification - what does Jaynes mean?
Replies: 13
Views: 30267

Re: A point of clarification - what does Jaynes mean?

Yes Jaynes felt that consciousness as he defines it is learned based on metaphorical language, and then taught to each successive generation. We are now seeing a growing body of evidence to support this in child development studies. Pre-literate societies could have learned consciousness independent...

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