Jeffrey Stamps and Thomas Forster

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Jeffrey Stamps and Thomas Forster

Post by Gororules »

I came across two references to Julian Jaynes which I did not see listed or mentioned here (apologies if they have been):

Holonomy: A Human Systems Theory (1980)

Stamps cites James in a positive light.

Thomas Forster Tries to Understand Julian Jaynes
(2009) ... jaynes.pdf or PDF download link:

Forster actually does try to understand Jaynes, but sometimes misses details:
"Jaynes says the gods whose voices the Greeks heard had no power to work
miracles. They had to obey the usual laws of nature. Not 100% true, because
Apollo visits plagues on the Greeks at the start of the Iliad, and also whisks
Paris off home when things are becoming too hot for him in his fight with
Menelaus. Circe turns Odysseus’ men into pigs. But perhaps there can be a
systematic account of how they come to have supernatural powers."
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Re: Jeffrey Stamps and Thomas Forster

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I was aware of these, however the Stamps book was not searchable when I first saw that it contained a reference to Jaynes (and I don't own a copy), so I didn't know the discussion of Jaynes was this extensive. I'm looking at it on Google Books now and it looks like he provides a fairly extensive overview of the theory.

If anyone has academic library access to the Stamps book and can scan the relevant pages, that would be much appreciated. It looks like it's been out of print for quite some time and used copies are fairly expensive.
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