Justin Mohn’s Deadly Delusions

Discussion of Julian Jaynes's second hypothesis - the bicameral mind, specifically the subtopic of schizophrenia and schizophrenia as a vestige of the bicameral mind.
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minnespectrum
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Justin Mohn’s Deadly Delusions

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Justin Mohn is a man from Levittown, Pennsylvania who is currently awaiting trial for the grisly slaying of his own father, Michael Mohn. The case attracted national attention due to a video Justin posted on YouTube, in which he ranted that the government and “woke mobs” were destroying America, and called for killing all federal employees. He then held up his father’s severed head on camera. The video was viewed many times before finally being taken down. Mohn was arrested after driving to a nearby military base where he planned to mobilize soldiers to take part in an uprising.

While he seems to have been influenced by far-right conspiracy theories such as QAnon, some of his beliefs seem to be flat-out delusional even by the standards of those movements. For instance, Mohn claimed to be the leader of “Mohn’s Militia”, which he described as a large paramilitary force that supported him as the rightful ruler of the USA. He also claimed that “millions” of people believed he was the second Messiah, and that for this reason, both political parties were conspiring to keep him from becoming president. Mohn expressed these views in self-published songs, poems (including in one book called [i]Poems I Wrote While Stoned[/i]), and several novels (which starred thinly fictionalized versions of himself).

Mohn, in other words, seems to have a lot of psychotic or schizophrenic qualities. This might be drug-related, as Mohn was reportedly a heavy cannabis user and that can have psychosis as a rare side effect. At the same time, the police have described Mohn as someone with a “clear mind” who knew what he was doing. This was borne out by the video; people who watched it said he seemed unusually calm and “in control” as he was holding up his father’s head, whereas most people wouldn’t be able to bear such a gory sight.

Julian Jaynes considered schizophrenia to be a vestige of the bicameral mind, but in most cases, people with this condition feel helpless and at the mercy of the voices in their head. Mohn, on the other hand, seems to have been the exact opposite. He was hallucinating a vast army of followers who were supposedly loyal to [i]him[/i]! He may have been out of touch with reality, but he was definitely in control of his own actions.

To put it in Jaynesian terms, it seems like Mohn could represent an inverted case of schizophrenia. Mohn identified his sense of self with the “god half” of his brain, [i]not[/i] the “man half” as would ordinarily be the case. As a result, instead of hearing the voices of “gods”, Mohn seems to have hallucinated that he himself was a godlike figure with others being under his control.

During the bicameral era, there may have been a similar dichotomy where extremely powerful people (such as pharaohs, emperors, and the like) might have had different types of hallucinations from those who occupied lower positions in society. They might have been more likely to hear voices that presented themselves as [i]subordinate[/i], rather than authoritative, since this would have matched their own experience of always being in charge of everyone else. It would fit with the ancient pagan beliefs that kings were divine, or that the ruler could even command [i]gods[/i] around in some cases. And, like Justin Mohn, this would have led to such persons being oddly calm and “in control” of their actions, even when engaging in extreme violence. (In today’s terms, this would be considered sociopathic or “dark triad” behavior; certainly Mohn could be described as such).

Although this image is from 19th century Ethiopia, it is in a style that dates back much further, and it fits this topic well: both the emperor and the executioner seem strangely emotionless despite their actions.

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Re: Justin Mohn’s Deadly Delusions

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That is an interesting thought. But I'm not sure what to think of it. I would imagine voice-hearing would've varied in numerous ways, depending on context, role, position, and relationship to others.

The most interesting part is how people would've perceived their own voice-hearing. The Piraha experience something we'd call possession, but that isn't how they experience it.

When a voice is speaking through someone, that person is the voice speaking. When asked where the 'possessed' person was, both the 'possessed' individual and other Piraha will simply state that he wasn't there.

The bicameral mind is so alien to us that it might be near impossible for us to imagine what it means from an experiential perspective. It likely was never monolithic and so would've shifted depending on which voice was speaking in any given moment.

About cruelty and suffering, it also would be perceived differently when there are no separate individuals involved. Those beheaded people maybe weren't thought of as having their own separate selves to suffer.

I remember a description of traditional hunter-gatherers that didn't perceive hunted animals as individuals but simply embodiments of a singular animal spirit. So, when an animal died, it wasn't real or full death, maybe more like shearing a sheep.
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